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Pollution cuts and the best way to monitor those actions remained unresolved. (Still we should get the money committed though, right?)<br /><br />"The Plan"..so far<br />Rich (I guess we are rich despite this recession)countries will provide $100 billion a year by 2020to help poor nations reduce their carbon emissions. They will also pay out $30 billion from next year through 2012. <br /><br />Nations should try to keep the global temperature increase before industrialization “below 2 degrees,” Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) HUH? Chachy, do you have a new map for how that is supposed to work?<br /><br />Instead of buring coal or fossil fuels, we should just let them burn US dollars. It would probably be cheaper.Climategatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-79612394707514547472009-12-16T16:49:11.228-05:002009-12-16T16:49:11.228-05:00Chachy:
That may be somewhat the case for the US,...Chachy:<br /><br /><i>That may be somewhat the case for the US, though as this chart shows, it's not like the US has been massively re-forested in recent decades.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure what to make of charts like that. Its obvious to anyone who goes around the eastern US (north and south) and looks at it today, and at pictures from, say, circa 1920, that there has been massive reforestation as marginal farms have been abandoned back to nature. Same can be said for the north country in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, etc. You have to wonder what the basis of the ancient forest claims is in the absence of rigorous surveys. It would also, of course, depend on your beliefs concerning how populous American Indians were in 1491, and how intensively they used land for crops.Andrew Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-52561250407431324372009-12-16T13:33:06.746-05:002009-12-16T13:33:06.746-05:00Small subsidy? Chachy, you can't even acknowl...Small subsidy? Chachy, you can't even acknowledge my last post and your posted article advocates your agenda at all cost. <br /><br />Best case scenario, you are an idealistic gambler like the rest who advocate potentially bankrupting our country. We are going to fix healthcare, banking and now the environment. Um, but we can't afford it. Stomp, Stomp but I wanna! Look at this chart for Christ sake, you evil white person with a job. We need your money asap.<br /><br />So now we are talking about rich white guys and you brought up oil companies again. Nice distraction. Let's play race against environment....jeez. I bet you are white.<br /><br />Obviously, you've taken a cultural opposition. Time to conceed. Admit this is the wrong medicine for a illness we don't know we have at the wrong time.Climategatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-25396085231745861442009-12-16T13:10:40.364-05:002009-12-16T13:10:40.364-05:00I'd like to see views on global warming broken...I'd like to see views on global warming broken down by race. Asian-Americans are just as well educated as whites, but have a different cultural background. If there is a difference there, that would tell us something.<br /><br />FYI, come to think of it, all the climate skeptics I've run across have been white males . . .Dohsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07884148005077602324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-54667016670598942352009-12-16T13:02:45.625-05:002009-12-16T13:02:45.625-05:00I love global warming!I love global warming!George Sorosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-61738932311517256512009-12-16T12:36:23.765-05:002009-12-16T12:36:23.765-05:00"skews heavily male, white, and a bit on the ..."skews heavily male, white, and a bit on the wealthy side"... Statistically the more educated. Hmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-34532934068132925502009-12-16T12:31:07.927-05:002009-12-16T12:31:07.927-05:00Anon - Wouldn't work. Living humans are carbon...Anon - Wouldn't work. Living humans are carbon sinks, and at death all that carbon gets re-released into the atmosphere or soil.<br /><br />Andrew B - Some wealthy countries like Japan can afford to protect their resources and their standard of living by basically outsourcing their natural resource consumption: the forests get cut down in Indonesia instead of Honshu. That may be somewhat the case for the US, though as <a href="http://forestry.about.com/library/bl_us_forest_acre_trend.htm" rel="nofollow">this chart</a> shows, it's not like the US has been massively re-forested in recent decades. And given the massive transfer of wealth from the underdeveloped to the developed world that's been going on for the last few centuries, plus the fact that the developed world's GHG emissions will most adversely affect the poorest countries through global warming, it seems to me that a small subsidy to protect ecosystems in poor countries (still a FAR smaller subsidy than what we give away to oil companies every year) is not out of line.<br /><br />As for Copenhagen, I don't think anyone believes this one conference is going to come out with a response to global warming that will comprehensively 'solve' the problem. The best outcome would be to start bending the curve, as they say, on emissions, so that the worst effects later this century aren't quite so bad. But I do agree with you that a lot more needs to be done, and I would favor a much stronger approach to the problem.<br /><br />Deez - the "cute map" you're asking for is in this very post - the decreasing emissions scenario on the right.<br /><br />Meanwhile, here's an <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2009/12/cop15_questions_about_sex.html" rel="nofollow">interesting article</a> on the breakdown on the demography of global warming skeptics. It skews heavily male, white, and a bit on the wealthy side, which is interesting. It would seem that the most privileged class of people in the country is least interested in upsetting the status quo. I can't say I'm terribly shocked.Chachyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11411695462568128245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-17564348189381438132009-12-16T12:14:28.722-05:002009-12-16T12:14:28.722-05:00I didn't even notice till today, but isn't...I didn't even notice till today, but isn't it funny that the video of the earth warming on this page was produced by the Hadley Center, which is the Climate Research Unit whose computer models have been debunked thanks to the hero, er, I mean hacker? <br /><br />The Hadley Center’s Hockey stick model includes the “fudge factor”. As Climategate leaked out, a group of scientists in New Zealand, who hadn’t “thrown out the raw data" used it and it has resulted in a graph that appears relatively flat.<br /><br />So let's talk about scientific consensus. Consensus def: general agreement and, secondly, group solidarity of belief or sentiment. It has its origin in a Latin word meaning literally to feel together. An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole.<br /><br />So...are we not talking undeniable proof/fact are we? We are talking about speculation and "group" sentiment worth billions...We are talking about the "believing scientist" conclusions/opinions. So Chachy stating that my opinion is not relevant is he/she being unable to defend a poor/illogical posistion.<br /><br />Additionally, what about the consensus of the dissenting scientist? Are they less signifigant than the other side? Are there less of them? Or do they just get less press?<br /><br />These scientist are bought by big oil right? However, "your" scientist are pure of heart and not politically influenced. Climategate (not me, the incident) has proven that is 100% not possible. Sure, they don't care about grants. <br /><br />And therein lies the contradiction...one set of scientist is ethical and the other is not. How do you (Chachy) make the distinction? As a result of "your sides" distinction, we are spending $100 Billions and a large politcal shift in power is occurring. Power can't influence scientist? I wonder how nuclear bombs and bio-weapons came into existence.<br /><br />Lastly, at one point in time it was the "scientific consensus" that the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. If you disagreed with that, you were persecuted (we'll characterize that as overreacting). Fast foward to current day we are economically and politically overreacting to data, science and predictions that are not well understood. It's undeniable.<br /><br />CheckmateClimategatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-15801484813987321512009-12-16T09:05:48.305-05:002009-12-16T09:05:48.305-05:00Show me one of those cute maps that shows how the ...Show me one of those cute maps that shows how the plantet will be saved and the trend reverse if we spend a billion dollars a swamp.Deeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-22667973795683664682009-12-16T08:56:34.054-05:002009-12-16T08:56:34.054-05:00Chachy:
Look, if you deny that global warming doe...Chachy:<br /><br /><i>Look, if you deny that global warming does exists, your argument just has to be: 1. Global warming does not exist. 2. Any amount of money spent on global warming is therefore wasted. QED.</i><br /><br />No it doesn't. There is a simple argument I've already made here, and which your map CLEARLY depicts that none of the "solutions" being discussed (mainly "slowing the growth" of CO2 accumulation, which is just delaying the inevitable to the next generation) actually reverse the stated problem of the climate changing for the worse. <br /><br />If the "solutions" don't solve the problem, they aren't worth pursuing and we still need actual solutions. QED. <br /><br />There is no need to get into scientific arguments about global warming itself to dismiss all the "solutions" being proposed in Copenhagen.Andrew Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-16490333145546074632009-12-16T08:50:29.872-05:002009-12-16T08:50:29.872-05:00Negotiators have all but completed a sweeping deal...<i>Negotiators have all but completed a sweeping deal that would compensate countries for preserving forests and in some cases other natural landscapes like peat soils, swamps and fields that play a crucial role in curbing climate change.</i><br /><br />Does America get any credit for the enormous reforestation efforts we've had since the 1920's? I've undoubtedly answered my own question simply by asking it. Of course not.Andrew Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-22387041143900246512009-12-16T02:01:05.295-05:002009-12-16T02:01:05.295-05:00A signifigant way to reduce CO2 emmissions would b...A signifigant way to reduce CO2 emmissions would be for you and your friends to stop breathing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-82429897258560948442009-12-15T19:15:56.939-05:002009-12-15T19:15:56.939-05:00No conspiracy just bureacratic nonsense and irresp...No conspiracy just bureacratic nonsense and irresponsible policy, the result of which is severe. It's not fiscally or politically sound. Ignoring that is a big part of the issue. If this had no ramifications, there would be no opposition.<br /><br />Read my first comment. You are right...It is weird! It's a simple cost/benefit scenario in which America loses based on something hardly credible and it is being rushed. Trying to discredit that fact is blind optimism and you don't want to acknowledge that. You don't care about what this means beyond your ideology.<br /><br />Global warming may or may not exist. It is not man-made to the extent it justfies billions and loss of "autonomy" though. Those are REAL issues BTW. We will not melt in a mild climate pattern and what scientific consensus are you talking about? There are just as many studies debunking MAN MADE global warming and the whole premise has been shaky especially with this latest fiasco. <br /><br />You sure it isn't ever going to cool off because global warming is now called climate change and we are worried about wild swings both up and down. In the 70's, they said were in for an ice age.<br /><br />I guess your conspiracy theory is that "big buisness' is desperately trying to shoot holes in your cause. The data get's influenced both ways. And this isn't going to affect big buisness...it affects you and I.<br /><br />Perhaps, incentivising enginering solutions through tax breaks and leading by example would be more palatable. This is bullshit... and it smells. So the question I will pose to you is...is it honestly worth it? Are you that sure? Personally, I think you've bought into the panic.Climategatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-61843176955939303732009-12-15T19:12:24.288-05:002009-12-15T19:12:24.288-05:00Chachy, nice argument against the economic side. ...Chachy, nice argument against the economic side. Someone need their pacifier?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-31133290975705076452009-12-15T18:30:17.988-05:002009-12-15T18:30:17.988-05:00Look, if you deny that global warming does exists,...Look, if you deny that global warming does exists, your argument just has to be:<br /><br />1. Global warming does not exist.<br />2. Any amount of money spent on global warming is therefore wasted. QED.<br /><br />You don't need to get into weird conspiracy stuff about national autonomy. (<i>A treaty!!</i> Heaven forfend!)<br /><br />On the other hand, if you believe global warming does not exist, you are ignoring the scientific consensus on the issue, so there's no reason to take your opinion seriously.Chachyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11411695462568128245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-14652942130837104962009-12-15T17:13:32.578-05:002009-12-15T17:13:32.578-05:00The WTO can be anti-competitive, take jobs away an...The WTO can be anti-competitive, take jobs away and be constricting. However, it does not require $100s of billions in US tax dollars annually to run. The intentions of the WTO were also not hoax based.<br /><br />This going to come out of your pocket. 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What do we do when their solutions are wrong? It's going to cause capital flight and job losses.<br /><br />This "Constitution" says that it takes precedence over our Constitution, and you can’t resign from the "treaty" unless you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because we are the biggest paying country, they’re not going to let us of it.<br /><br />You are right...I mispoke. This is a giant ass-fucking with no reach around.Climategatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3252760795777865548.post-47387902532951674012009-12-15T16:11:20.838-05:002009-12-15T16:11:20.838-05:00@Climategate: You got to vote for two Senators, a ...@Climategate: You got to vote for two Senators, a Representative, and the President. You aren't guaranteed a win, just a vote. 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